Stage 4 Cancer Remission: Dr. Contreras and Survivor Emma Johnson

When a stage 4 cancer diagnosis leaves you searching for other options beyond the standard protocols, the choices can feel nonexistent. Diagnosed with stage 4 cancer and given eighteen months to live by a conventional oncologist, Emma Victoria Johnson began her search. At Oasis of Hope Cancer Center, oncologist Dr. Francisco Contreras's integrative cancer treatment approach led to a cancer remission that defied every prognosis. This cancer survivor's journey from diagnosis to cancer remission is proof that integrative treatment, used alongside the best of conventional care, can change outcomes conventional medicine never anticipated.

Emma was handed a terminal timeline and told to get her affairs in order. Instead of accepting that sentence, she went looking for a treatment philosophy that addressed the whole person. Integrative oncology, an approach that combines standard medical treatments with evidence-based complementary therapies like nutrition, stress management, and lifestyle changes, was exactly what she needed. At Oasis of Hope Cancer Center, she found a team led by Dr. Francisco Contreras, MD, renowned for combining conventional and alternative medical treatments long before holistic cancer care entered the mainstream conversation.

Emma and Dr. Contreras walk through the day-to-day reality of her treatment at Oasis of Hope, the emotional turning points, what it is like to seek treatment outside your passport country, and the protocols that moved her from a stage 4 diagnosis to near-complete remission in under a year. Dr. Contreras also offers actionable steps for reducing your cancer and chronic health risk.

Be sure to catch this episode on video to see what treatment is like at Oasis of Hope Cancer Center.

If you or someone you love is facing a diagnosis, out of options, or simply wants to understand cancer prevention and what integrative cancer care looks like in practice, this episode was made for you. Remember, every healing journey is unique, and hope is always possible, no matter the diagnosis. You are not alone on this path.

Chapters

• 0:00 Cancer Rates Are Rising Fast
• 1:14 Why This Conversation Matters
• 4:10 Oasis Of Hope’s Holistic Philosophy
• 6:40 Emma’s Shocking Diagnosis And Rapid Growth
• 9:42 Prevention Vs Early Detection
• 12:55 Simple Diet And Exercise Targets
• 15:58 Refusing The Prognosis And Choosing Treatment Abroad
• 20:20 What Treatment Felt Like at Oasis of Hope
• 23:55 The Power Of Mind
• 26:58 Integrative Care And Patient Dignity
• 31:32 Cancer Genes, Good Information, Real Choice
• 36:42 Turbo Cancers, Toxins, And Immune Therapy
• 42:42 Courage To Travel And Family Pushback
• 48:30 Finding Community With Other Patients
• 55:08 Health Systems, Money, And Time Windows

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Transcript

Cancer Is Rising Fast

Speaker 3 0:00

There is no question that that cancer is on the rise and in a very scary way. Uh because more and more younger people are developing cancer with very aggressive cancers that we didn't used to see 15 years ago. Right now in the hospital, more than half of our patients are 40 years or younger. Whereas before it used to be 60 years or older. And with a lot more aggressive cancers.

Speaker 0:29

From day one, I wish I knew about Oasis of Hope straight away and that I didn't have to go searching. I could listen to people who have already been on this journey to know that stage four, any cancer, is not a death sentence. It is a bad cell that needs to be turned good. I want people to know that there isn't just this one way finding the right medical team. As I wouldn't be alive today without you, Dr. Contreras, and I'm so grateful for that.

Speaker 4 0:54

Hi friends, welcome to the New Normal Big Life Podcast. We bring you natural and integrative health information and stories about nature that we hope will inspire you to get outside in adventure, along with a step-by-step plan to help you practice what you've learned to create your own new normal and live the biggest life you can dream. I'm your host, Antoinette Berrafato,

Why This Conversation Matters

Speaker 4 1:14

the Wellness Warrior. Let's get into today's topic. Wellness warriors, we're doing something a little bit different today because I'm wearing two hats. One as the host of New Normal Big Life Podcasts, and the other as the health and wellness columnist for Cultures Magazine, a global lifestyle publication for people who live in between cultures, where 1.5 million readers across 200 countries will dive into this conversation in print and digital. But here's my promise to you: if you or someone you love has ever wondered about cancer genes, cancer prevention, cancer diagnosis, or what it would be like to travel abroad for cancer treatment, my two guests are going to walk you through exactly what to expect and why thousands of international patients chose Oasis of Hope as their destination for healing. So let's get into it. Welcome to New Normal, Dr. Contreras. Why don't you tell us who you are, what you do, and the one big thing you want listeners to remember today.

Speaker 3 2:10

Well, first of all, Antoinette, thank you very much for inviting me, and thank you, Emma, for joining us. This is very exciting for me to talk about, especially what's been going on with Emma, which is a great miracle. I'm a surgical oncologist, and I am the director of the Oasis of Hope Hospital, which was founded by my father in 1963. My father was also an oncologist, and I was blessed to work with him for many years before he passed. And now I'm uh taking his legacy to the next step. And we already have the next generation with my daughter and son-in-law that are going to take care of this. And uh, the Oasis of Hope is a holistic hospital that takes care not only of the physical needs of our patients, but also the emotional and spiritual needs. And uh we treat our patients in an integrative way. That is, we have everything available on the conventional and just about everything available on the alternative side. And based on our experience, we're going to be choosing the pieces of the puzzle that are the perfect uh fit for the needs of our patients. And we make a decision on what to give to our patients on two philosophical principles. The first one is what the father of medicine said, first do no harm. And so we are only going to provide therapies of whatever kind to our patients if that therapy is going to improve their quality of life. And the second one that was stated by Jesus, love your patient as you love yourself. That's what we say as doctors. And what that means is that I will never give to a patient something that I myself would not take or that I wouldn't give to my daughter or to my wife. And so that makes a tremendous difference. And by the way, I love my wife very much. So it makes a tremendous difference when you take those things into consideration on what

Oasis Of Hope’s Holistic Philosophy

Speaker 3 4:10

is it that you're going to offer. Because I don't know if you know this, but most treatments in the conventional realm for cancer are very devastating. And most oncologists never take it. They provide this to the patients, but when they are suffering from cancer, they rarely take the treatments they that they recommend. And this has been proven in many polls that have been taken over over time. So that is in a nutshell what the Oasis of Hope is. And what our mission is, is to provide care holistically with the best possible therapy for our patients.

Speaker 4 4:45

Wow, incredible. I cannot wait to unpack this, Dr. Contreras. Emma Victoria Johnson, welcome to New Normal Big Life. Why don't you tell us who you are, what you do, and the one big thing you want listeners to remember today?

Speaker 4:57

Well, firstly, good morning from Australia. Toinette and Dr. Contreras. It's lovely to see you both this morning. I am a stage four cancer survivor. I am a patient of Dr. Contreras. Um I'm almost cancer free. Um, I've been on this journey for just over a year now. No chemo, no radiation, no surgery. And I am now an ambassador for Oasis of Hope because we need to get the word out there that there is a different way to cure cancer, and that is not killing your body with chemo. There is hope. It is not a, you know, stage four cancer isn't a death sentence. It isn't your written destiny. And I'm here to provide a hope to people who are seeking alternative routes. And I just encourage anybody out there who has been diagnosed to look at other alternatives. The chemo radiation isn't always the way. Like nowadays, there are so many different things. The traditional medicine route isn't always the best way. And that's why I'm here today to help people understand that there is another route.

Speaker 4 6:01

Beautiful. Emma, take us to the moment you were diagnosed. What were the early signs and how did your life change after that day?

Speaker 6:08

Honestly, I had no signs whatsoever. I didn't feel sick, I didn't look sick. I actually went to the gym and hurt myself and got checked and found a lump, which was really small at the time. This was December 2024. It took about seven weeks for me to get into a clinic to actually get it checked. I got a mammogram and an ultrasound, and the ultrasound did, they did believe that it was cancer at the time. But I actually was like stage one, stage two. This was January by February. By the time I got it biopsied, it had grown

Emma’s Shock Diagnosis And Rapid Growth

Speaker 6:40

in that in that space of time after the biopsy. Six weeks later, I was stage four. It gone into my lymph nodes and into my liver. So in December, it was actually a pea size, and by March, it was 9.5 centimeters. So cancer waits for no one and it can grow really fast. And I I do believe all the testing that I had done did make it grow, you know, prodding with cells. And I had, you know, I had three biopsies at the time because they missed it the first two times. So I do believe all my testing did make it grow. Look, being told that I had a death sentence hanging over my head, my world collapsed. I refused to believe it. I refuse to believe the oncologist in Australia. When he told me that I had three months to live without taking the tablets that he provided, I actually sacked him and said, I don't believe you. I'm I'm not ready to die. I'm not willing to die. So I went on this crazy journey to find hope and help. And I've clearly watched way too many movies to find a secret, you know.

Speaker 1 7:37

I was looking for some sort of secret bunker somewhere in like Switzerland or Iceland or somewhere somewhere around the world. You know, I got to Oasis and they've saved my life.

Speaker 4 7:47

Wow, incredible. Dr. Contreras, Emma alluded to something that I have been seeing in the research. Are there any thoughts about, you know, the palpation of the lump and constant radiation, you know, getting the exams? What are the thoughts out there?

Speaker 3 8:02

Well, uh, Emma's case is is a little bit different than Mo's because uh she developed this very explosive and very, very aggressive malignancy that grew in a very short time. That is not common, okay, for most breast cancers. They take a long time to grow and patients usually have more time to make decisions. I think that in this case it was a blessing because you know the information was so dire that it provoked in Emma the need to search for something else, because that, you know, what was offered was not the answer for her. But it's not normal for a tumor to be so aggressive and to grow so fast. And that's why I feel that she's been you know touched by God because we're good, but but her results are are are much better than the norm. She's she's uh responding really well. She still has tumor activity, but the fact that you know that that the tumors are coming down when they were growing so fast is very, very encouraging to us and obviously to her. So prevention is a lot of times confused by early detection. They're not the same thing, right? When you detect early, it's not a bad thing, but you're not preventing anything. And the idea of doing mammograms for prevention is not the correct thing to. I think that there's a lot of things that that we all can do to reduce the risk of developing cancer. And lifestyle is the most effective way to do that. So our diet plays a big role. But Emma was doing a lot of those things as well. You know, exercise usually reduces the risk

Prevention Vs Early Detection

Speaker 3 9:42

of developing cancer by 50%. It's it's very clear to me that if she was not so dedicated to exercising and a good lifestyle, she would have developed the tumor maybe 10 or 15 years earlier. So it varies for everybody, but generally, if we have a good lifestyle with a good diet and do exercise, we will reduce the risk of developing cancer significantly. And uh the other thing is our mental and emotional status, because our our emotions can devastate our immune system in a very short time. So depression, anger, resentment, all of these things that we suffer. Most of us, you know, have something to be disturbed about, and that will destroy our immune system. So if you are spiritually strong, your emotional responses are going to be conducive to immune stimulation. So one of the verses in the Bible that is very difficult to understand, it says, all things work together for good. Emma is just a picture of that. She's just so positive about everything. And she uh she will uh it's like a contagion when you're with her. All you can do is just be positive. And and I really believe that that it's because of that that she's responding so well because her immune system is just being constantly inundated with positive thoughts that that it's working for her in a in a very positive way. So a good attitude, a good diet and exercise would be my recommendation for all of your audience to reduce the risk of developing cancer.

Speaker 4 11:19

And uh when you talk about diet, what are some of the things that people should include in their diet and things that they should not have in their diet? And, you know, hearing you say that lifestyle plays a big role is not unfamiliar to wellness warriors because we've had many MDs come on and say 90 to 98% of your health outcomes are based on your lifestyle choices.

Speaker 3 11:45

Correct. So I'm going to give you an advice that it's easy for just about everybody to follow and that has been tested widely. There's about a hundred published papers in the medical journals that show that people that consume five portions of vegetables and fruits a day will reduce their risk of developing cancer by 50%, even if they make no changes in their diet. So imagine if on top of eating those five portions of fruits and vegetables, you get rid of the junk. What is a portion? A portion is what fits in a measuring cup in the kitchen. It's not a lot. If you get rid of the junk, and we all know what junk is, nobody needs an explanation. Well, you are going to fare much better. How much exercise? It's four hours a week. So if you briskly walk for a half an hour a day, you are complying with that. And so the studies, and there's about 70 studies published on exercise in prevention of cancer, and they all show in different percentages how beneficial exercise is. The more you do, the more it protects you.

Simple Diet And Exercise Targets

Speaker 3 12:55

So those are two easy things that most of us can do. And you are going to responsibly be reducing not only the incidence of cancer or heart disease, arthritis, any chronic disease, you are going to reduce the risk of that. And that's not too complicated. The more you do, the better it is. But you know, life is complicated. Not everybody is that motivated. But uh, as I tell you, those two things that I'm mentioning are not difficult to do. Right.

Speaker 4 13:25

And Emma, after your diagnosis, what treatment options were presented to you and what made you look for something different?

Speaker 13:31

So here in Australia, the medical team, they offered me 18 months to live with two chemo tablets. Pretty much it would just keep the cancer in place and the tablets would stop working in the end and I would die. And they had about 20,000 side effects, which I was like, well, that doesn't sound like living for 18 months. So then they said to me, if I didn't take the tablets, I would die within three months. So I refused the tablets and came home and decided to search for a different route. Now, I'm not, you know, calling chemo or doctors or any other radiation. I know a lot of people go down that path, but I meet a lot of people that try that first and they get cancer free. And because it's destroyed their body afterwards, the cancer comes back and then they end up on the other route. So for me, luckily, I do believe God put me in this path of that was my only option here. At the time, it felt like a death sentence, and I refuse to believe it. Like Dodge Conchera said, I am so positive. I've got this resilient mindset where I just think I can do anything in life. And I switched it around and thought, I'm gonna prove you wrong. So that gave me determination. And then I wanted to do it for everybody else out there who's ever been given the death sentence because I was like, they don't give it to you nicely. They don't sugarcoat it, they just give it to you like they're ordering dinner. You know, it wasn't a and and I think that made me angry as well. That sent me looking for another route of how to cure my body. I had heard about sugar feeding cancer, stress, trauma, you know, lack of sleep. At the time, I was running a business, I was working 14-hour days. I do believe my cancer grew with, you know, um stress of my lifestyle and um obviously the news that I had. And I do believe God made me stage four, uncurable in Australia to send me on this path. And I'm so grateful for that now. You know, I look back at my journey and I'm so grateful that I found Oasis and Dr. Contreras because I believe if I'd have done what their medics had said here, I'd be dead today. I don't believe I'd be here anymore. I believe I would have been ill off the tablets and I wouldn't be living.

Speaker 4 15:38

And how did you find Oasis of Hope? And when was the moment that you knew this is the place I need to be?

Speaker 15:43

I honestly got recommended through a friend of mine. And within two weeks, I had a video call with the doctors. I was literally there within 14 days. Honestly, it was the moment I met Dr. Contreras two days after arriving that I knew he was gonna get me well. I knew

Refusing The Prognosis And Choosing Mexico

Speaker 15:58

the positivity from him, the talking about it. He wasn't looking at me like I was a death sentence on my head. You know, he talked to me about my body and what we can do, the journey. Day two, when I sat down in that consultation room, I was thinking I'm gonna stay alive and I'm gonna get cured. And ever since then, my cancer has been dying and going and disappearing. We're nearly at the finish line. That's beautiful.

Speaker 4 16:23

And can you walk us through what you expected cancer treatment to feel like versus what it was in reality? It noises of hope.

Speaker 16:30

You know, expecting some prayers in the forest and walking on the grass and drinking some green juices, you know, as you see in these movies and stuff. Look, you go in there, you are filling your body with IVs, you are jumping into treatments, you are learning how to live with cancer. We have cooking classes, you learn how to eat properly, you are taught education on stage every single day. It it was harder mentally than I thought. For the first few days getting there, it's a lot to take. But honestly, after day seven, I turn into a superhuman. I'm like, I feel amazing, I look amazing. After the treatments and the IVs have done, my body becomes to this fighting machine. And then when we get the cancer vaccines, I'm just so grateful that I know that that is killing the cancer in my body. And all the people at the clinic, all the patients, everyone is smiling. You go into a cancer clinic and everybody is happy. We're all like family, we're all talking to each other in the IV rooms, the nurses, the doctors, everybody is wonderful. It is like a miracle safe haven place.

Speaker 4 17:34

Wow, it sounds incredible. And you know, one thing people notice in your story is how you carried yourself throughout treatment. So, from your lived experience, not as a medical claim, but as your truth, how did you feel physically, emotionally, and spiritually during treatment?

Speaker 17:49

Look, there's not often that I don't have like I'm positive 24-7 mainly. Every now and then I do have a breakdown, and you know, I'm only human. And that breakdown is either, you know, I'm so grateful for where I'm at, or no, sometimes I can feel a bit lonely, or you know, I can be upset if someone else is upset. Through treatment, I'm like, put that needle in and let's get going. You know, I I just have this super crazy positive attitude. You can put me through anything and I'll never say no. But there are times alone that I do sometimes, you know, have emotional thoughts and you know, the the devil sometimes can creep into the mind. And I accept that and I turn to God and I bounce back. I give myself a slap and I'm like, Emma, let's go. Put my superhuman warrior back on. Let's go.

Speaker 4 18:42

And you know, for the person who's at home and they're listening and they've just received this diagnosis and they're understandably terrified. What would you tell them that you wish you knew from day one?

Speaker 18:54

From day one, I wish I knew about Oasis of Hope straight away, and that I didn't have to go search in and that I could listen to people who have already been on this journey to know that stage four, any cancer is not a death sentence. It is a bad cell that needs to be turned good. Your body needs to be put into an alkaline diet. You need to look after yourself, you need sleep. I want people to know out there that there isn't just this one way of going down chemo and destroying your whole body. And I know it's a scary journey. It is a dark path, and I've been there, but there is a light at the tunnel, positivity, looking after yourself, sleep, the right diet, finding the right medical team as I did, Dr. Contreras. You know, I wouldn't be alive today without you, Dr. Contreras, and I'm so grateful for that. It's, I just want people to know it's not, don't be scared. I know it's scary, but don't be scared.

Speaker 4 19:46

Thank you for that. I'm sure it's gonna give a lot of people comfort right now. And Dr. Contreras, so Aces of Hope was founded by your father. What was the vision that launched this hospital? And how has this cancer treatment philosophy evolved under your leadership?

Speaker 3 19:59

Well, I think I must say it very well. We've been criticized forever for selling false hope. And my question has always been what will if I'm selling false hope, what is true hope? You're dead? The truth is that there's only hope or no hope. And hope is extremely powerful. If you look at all the clinical trials that have been done

What Treatment Felt Like There

Speaker 3 20:20

over time, in about 70% to 80% of the results, the results are better in the patients that took the placebo.

Speaker 1 20:27

Wow.

Speaker 3 20:27

Imagine that. So we should be looking at the placebo. And what is the placebo? It's the power of the mind. So I unashamedly brainwash my patients to positive thinking. You're gonna spend the same emotional energy on being depressed and on thinking, hey, I have a chance to survive. And Emma just stated very clearly that cancer does not need to be a death sentence. We have patients like hair that were told they're gonna die in three to six months. Twenty years later, they're they're still alive. Maybe they're not cured, because if we take X-rays, the tumors may be there. But the patient then couldn't care less because they have quality of life and they outlived their prognosis for many, many years. So to us, the reason why we're called the oasis of hope is because we believe that hope is extremely powerful. And it is. And so that's why we've created an ambience at the hospital that is very, very positive and friendly. And no matter how things look, we're happy and we're going to move forward with the hope that God will give us a miracle. And all that's beautiful. Instances, they're they're miracles, and miracles come in in many forms, but we're always expecting a miracle for for our patients. And I think this is you know very important. And in most cancer centers, everything is gloom and doom. When the patient asks the doctor, Well, Doctor, what should my diet be? What should I do? And the doctor says, Ah, don't worry, eat whatever you want. The interpretation is. I'm dead. And the doctor just wants me to, you know, to enjoy whatever few days are are left for me. And so I I believe that the way you provide information to a patient is very important. I mean, not just a patient for everybody, right? Is it's not how not the information that is bad, it's how you give it. Everything is just so negative. So for for us, cancer is not a best sentence, and we're gonna fight for life until the last minute. God is going to decide. So we do the possible and we let God do the impossible. But we're gonna be positive about it.

Speaker 22:33

Since January, I've been to the clinic. I've met other patients there, and there are six of them in the last six months, cancer free. And I'm like, wow. First of all, I'm like, okay, I'm next. But um, six people like that I've met and they were staged for. Incredibly. There's hope for people too. Dr. Contreras has cured these people that I've met. You know, there's a lot of patients that I meet at the clinic who are already cancer free.

Speaker 4 22:56

It works. And most people only know one path Dr. Contreras, surgery, chemotherapy, radiation. How is Oasis of Hope's integrative approach fundamentally different? Not just in what you do, but in how you view your patients in your care.

Speaker 3 23:11

Well, most of the patients, in comparison to Emma, come to us when they've hit the wall already. When they already took the chemotherapy, the radiation, the surgery, and they were virtually sent home to die. And so those patients are already looking and seeking an alternative because the conventional therapy failed them. It's interesting that, you know, doctors said, you failed chemotherapy. No, chemotherapy failed you. In patients like Emma that come to us virgin to treatment, where they decided not to take the conventional, we are going to talk very openly about the possibilities of conventional therapy, how it could help

Hope, Placebo, And The Power Of Mind

Speaker 3 23:55

if a patient is a good candidate for conventional. We're not afraid to offer that. Because there are some patients that are benefited with conventional therapy. And in many cases, we're going to do a combination of therapies. And when we use conventional therapies, we use them in a very limited way. Because, again, as I told you, we're never going to give any therapy that is not going to improve the quality of life. So the dosages that we use are less. The impact of conventional therapy when you combine it with alternative methods is dampened, meaning the patients are going to tolerate it better and have better results. We have everything available and we're going to offer our patients what we know, according to our experience, is going to be the best for them, be it conventional or not. Or if I feel that a patient uh needs surgery, we are capable of doing any type of surgery for our patients. But the main thing is that we have hope and that we believe that we're going to fight for life, that we're negotiating for life until the end, until God decides different.

Speaker 4 25:08

And you know, when I was doing my research, one of the most talked-about aspects of Oasis of Hope is how patients feel during treatment. They talk about more energy than expected, less nausea than with other treatments, and a sense of dignity. What is that about? How can you manage this in your facility where they didn't experience that in other treatments?

Speaker 3 25:31

Well, you you you mentioned a word that's very powerful: dignity. I think that when you treat a patient not as a number, and when you are emotionally vested, because we're taught in medical school to detach ourselves emotionally from our patients. And I think that's the wrong thing. Because the patient will notice immediately if if you are really interested or if you're just going through the motions. So I think that uh we treat our patients with dignity by letting them know exactly what we're going to do, and that we are truly interested in evaluating the therapies and making whatever changes we need to do, depending on the results. I've never thought of it that way, but I think that's giving the patient dignity, that we are emotionally vested. And I think that's very important for a patient. Thank you for mentioning that.

Speaker 4 26:25

Absolutely. It came through in what patients were seeing and family members were seeing, so I thought I would bring it up. So if we go back for a moment to before the diagnosis, if someone is carrying the gene for cancer right now, what flips that switch on and what keeps that switch turned off? We talked about lifestyle, but is there anything more that you can tell us?

Speaker 3 26:48

Well, I think that information is probably the next best thing. Unfortunately, now there is so much confusing information on both sides that it's

Integrative Care And Patient Dignity

Speaker 3 26:58

difficult for the patients to make an intelligent decision when they're looking. I've written several books, but the last book is called The Art and Science of Undermining Cancer. And I give information about all of the therapies, conventional and non-conventional, so that patients can have both sides of the of the aisles, so to say, uh, and so that they can make an intelligent decision of what is best for them. And you can obtain this book for free if you visit our website, oasisofope.com. You can buy it on Amazon and I think there's in other places, but there's no need to pay any money for them. And I think that this the this type of information where you put all the cards on the table, because what a patient believes makes a big difference, right? Yes. And so a patient may feel, you know, right now surgery is the best thing. I feel that surgery is the best thing. I'm going to be open to that. Or chemotherapy or radiation therapy, or like Emma, she was convinced that chemotherapy was not for her, right? And it plays a role in how those things are going to affect your body. And so I want patients to be convinced that what they're taking is the best for them. And there's no better way of helping a patient make that decision than when you give the information correctly so that the patients can make choices. Because we're defined by our choices. And especially when your life is being threatened and your choices have an impact on time, and there's windows of opportunity for things that that you make the best choice based on your beliefs, how you know your body, because you're going to know your body better than any doctor, and how a treatment may affect you. And Emma was talking about that we have all these lectures for our patients. We want to provide information so that a patient can make a correct choice for them. And each patient is different. So do believe that in that sense we treat our patients with dignity because we want to guide them to make their own choice. It's not my way or the highway ever in the hospital. Ever.

Speaker 4 29:09

Wow, that's very refreshing. I've had doctors try to force their treatment protocols on me. And when I respectfully say, you know, I'd like to do some research before I make a decision, they push back in a very angry way. And that's a very uncomfortable feeling. So to hear that you don't do that is so refreshing.

Speaker 3 29:32

I think that's always a wrong approach. If you're having a team, well, you want to know what the team thinks. If you're playing baseball or basketball or whatever, it's a team sport, and everybody has to put a piece of the information that is going to be best for everybody. So I always see my patient as a team member. I have experience, but I but the patient knows much better about their body and how they think than I. And so we're gonna work together to get the best out.

Speaker 4 30:00

And Emma, how did that make you feel as a patient to have all of this information and to feel like you were a partner with your healthcare team?

Speaker 30:09

Honestly, I think I didn't feel like I was just a number on a board and you know, being sold the same script or told the same thing as the next person, which obviously I got here in Australia. I felt like I was part of the family. I felt like I was part of the team, part of the family. I could put my view across and listen to what Dr. Contreras had to say. I believe that, you know, everyone's lifestyles are different to what people pick and choose of what they want to do. I did say to Dr. Contreras, do everything to me. I want to be cancer free. You know, I'm like, give me more. I'm going back in three weeks and I cannot wait to see everybody. Like, I'm going back to a cancer hospital and I cannot wait to see everyone. Like, that sounds crazy. You know, most people are going getting chemo and are dreading going and going back to hospital. I'm excited to get on that plane and see everybody. I feel fitter now than when I was in my 20s. I am more energy, more positive. I appreciate life so much more. I'm grateful every day I wake up. I'm a completely different person to who I was 18 months ago. And that is due to the clinic, how I've been treated, the tools I've been given, you know, the the body that I've been given now through Oasis, and I'm just forever grateful.

Speaker 3 31:24

I thought you were 19.

Speaker 31:25

I'm 19. Somebody asked me the other day, and I told them I was 28, and she said, No, you're not, you're 42.

Speaker 1 31:31

And I was like, oh.

Cancer Genes, Good Information, Real Choice

Speaker 1 31:32

I keep lying about my age. It's funny.

Speaker 4 31:36

And Dr. Contreras, when I was reviewing the research, I have to ask this question: are cancer diagnoses on the rise, or am I mistaken? And what beyond genetics could be causing this?

Speaker 3 31:50

There is no question that that cancer is on the rise, and in a very scary way, because more and more younger people are developing cancer with very aggressive cancers that we didn't used to see 15 years ago. Right now in the hospital, more than half of our patients are 40 years or younger. Whereas before it used to be 60 years or older. And with a lot more aggressive cancers, I don't know if you've ever heard, but there's a new term in cancer, the the turbo cancer. Turbo.

Speaker 4 32:23

Yeah.

Speaker 3 32:25

And it is very concerning to me. There's you know many factors that can be causing this, but but I do believe that uh since COVID, since the disease and the vaccines and all of that, we've seen very, very young people develop very aggressive cancers. There's there's no way to say that that's the cause, but there's a there's a definite relationship between these medications. They call them vaccines, but they were not vaccines in in some of these uh new malignancies. And also, I've uh I noticed a lot in many, many of our patients that were completely stable, tumor-free, and they had the vaccine and the tumor just reappeared. And it was more difficult to treat them after that. So there's no question that our environment is getting more and more contaminated, that the industry is putting more and more preservatives in foods, and that all of things all of these things are playing a role now, you know, especially women, young women like like Emma that do a lot of exercise. These new uh clothing materials are that that are disrupting the hormones of women. It's just uh terrible that we're putting all of these menaces to young people. And uh so I hope that they become aware and that the industry becomes aware. At least I feel that in America with this new administration, that they're really trying to reduce the amount of preservatives in foods. And I hope that they also reduce the amount of chemicals in the clothing, especially sports or exercise clothing that are disrupting the hormones of men and women, but but it's affecting more the women than the men.

Speaker 4 34:05

Yes, I was just reading about the endocrine disruptive toxic materials that are in spandex type of athletic wear. And yes, that's very disturbing. And you know, when I was uh doing some research, a lot of people are talking about the pathogens that live inside our bodies, so the toxic ingredients from food and materials and environment, mold, viruses, parasites, bacteria, fungi, and that all of these things are creating this soup of inflammation, including leaky gut syndrome or increased intestinal permeability, and that all of these pathogens working together is what might be creating uh more incidence in diagnoses of cancer. What are your thoughts about that?

Speaker 3 34:59

Yes, I believe that you're absolutely right in looking into that, and that's precisely one of the things that I was talking about. But lastly, everything comes down to the immune system because we all know people that smoke all their lives, don't eat vegetables, right? They're a hundred years old, right? And they're completely healthy.

Speaker 1 35:21

And they drink Coca-Cola and they're cancer free.

Speaker 3 35:26

Right. My mother-in-law died at seven, okay, and uh she died last month, 97 years old, peacefully on her bed. The last time she drank water was 1957. That's when Coca-Cola came to Mexico. Since then, she never drank water anymore. Her idea of vegetables was French fries. And yet, 97, no cancer, no heart disease, nothing. So everything boils down to the immune system. And all of the things that you mentioned are distractors. So we are not all born with such a strong immune system as my mother-in-law. And so we have to take care of it. And the more distractors there are of the immune system, they're distracting from protecting you, like chemicals and all of those things. Well, the the the higher your possibility of developing cancer. That's why to us, the most important and potent therapy that we give is immune therapy. And it's based on dendritic cells. And so we call it impact, which stands for immune personalized autologous cell therapy. We use the patient's immune system and we create in our laboratory an immunological

Turbo Cancers, Toxins, And Immune Therapy

Speaker 3 36:42

anti-tumor task force to be very, very effective in helping our patients. So we live in this very aggressive environment against us. The more things you do to help your immune system, the better you are going to fare. I found out that 8,000 chemicals were in my clothes that were affecting my health. I went naked. That's a bit too much. So there's a point where you have to say, enough. I'm doing enough and I'm going to enjoy life. So, yes, you have to be responsible, but on the other hand, you have to relax and say, I am being responsible, I am doing the best I can. And now this is a beautiful day, and I I am going to enjoy it. And it's it's a big part of boosting your immune system as well. But when you think about all of these uh elements that are provoking cancer, it all has to do with your immune system. So if you fortify your immune system, is the best thing that you can do. And emotionally is probably the best way to strengthen your immune system. Because we react to life emotionally to everything. And the stronger you are spiritually, the more functional your emotions are going to be. Emotions are not positive or negative, they're functional or dysfunctional, right? So you can be angry that somebody does not have food. Well, if you're spiritually strong, you're going to convert that into a functional anger and either provide food or resolve the issue of why those people are not getting food. That's why all things can come together for good, right? Before Emma had cancer, she didn't know that she could do so many things that are good for her and for others. So cancer has helped her be a better person and be a better patient. And why? Because she's spiritually strong and she has converted that into a functional part of her life. And so that's part of our training and converting our patients from victims into victors. And so the better your emotional reactions, the better your immune system is going to be. And so everything has to do with the immune system. And that's why about 80% of our efforts in helping patients have to do with immune stimulation.

Speaker 4 39:01

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Speaker 41:02

Thank you. Thank you. Look, this journey has made me into this, you know. I feel like I'm a different person. You know, I used to be so stressed and work too much, and I just think I was unhappy and I didn't realize until, you know, I got diagnosed and changed my life, and now I dance around my house and smile every day.

Speaker 4 41:24

That's wonderful. And so between patients who thrive and the patients who don't, Dr. Contreras, is there a common thread? Is it a mindset, a habit, a choice that separates the outcome?

Speaker 3 41:34

There's no question. And there's many published studies about the fact that positive patients are going to fare much better. Wow. So it's a common denominating factor. That's why for us it's so important to instill hope. Because when you have hope, you're going to be positive. You're going to look for the good in things. Eleanor Roosevelt said something that was beautiful. Yesterday is gone. Tomorrow is a mystery. Today is a gift. That is why it's called the present. And so we want our patients to enjoy every day as much as if it was going to be the last, but with the hope that we're going to be able to survive for many, many years. And uh, and that is, you know, our mind is extremely powerful and we can use it for our benefit.

Speaker 4 42:18

Emma, when I hear your story, I don't just see a cancer journey. I see a woman who lived in the UK, is now living in Australia, who traveled to Mexico to heal three continents, three cultures, one deeply human decision. So, Emma, Dr. Contreras, let's talk about what it really means to seek healing across borders, languages, and cultures. Emma, for someone who's never left their home country,

Courage To Travel And Family Pushback

Speaker 4 42:42

traveling abroad could be scary. For those unfamiliar with the concept of going to another country, what gave you the courage to get up and go?

Speaker 42:52

Well, honestly, I just thought, if I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do this. And if I want to live, I've got to get on that plane. And to me, living and seeking help and and taking the leap of faith to get on that plane and go to Mexico, it takes courage. And I urge anybody that's thinking about it, just get on the plane. There's there's no need to keep being scared. Yes, I have traveled, but anyone that has never left their country, I know how daunting that can be. I mean, I was scared and I've traveled over the other side of the world, and I was scared to do it. And I was scared at the airport and I was scared on the plane, but I tell you what, it was the best thing I ever did. And I'm here today because of that leap of faith, and because I got on that flight, I was like, I'm going, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna make this happen. You have to believe in yourself and you have to have posity.

Speaker 1 43:41

And it's an adventure, you know. Life is an adventure. Jump on the plane.

Speaker 4 43:47

And you know, and my cultures magazine defines an expatriate as someone who leaves their native country to live elsewhere, and a third culture adult, a TCA, as someone immersed in global locations. After age 18, do these identities resonate with you and your journey?

Speaker 44:04

Look, you know, I have moved countries. I guess it might have made it a little bit easier for me to jump on the plane and go. I can totally understand if somebody's never done that and left home. I had people looking at me, what are you doing? Going to Mexico, this is crazy. You know, it's a big thing to do, but inside my heart, I knew it was the right thing to do. And I feel like if you look deep inside, you know what the right answer is. And if that calling is there and you're even thinking about it, you're thinking about it, just go and do it. Because it was the best thing that I ever did. So you've just gotta have faith and do it. And you know, I speak to people still now online. It's a big thing to do. I understand that. I understand. But just pack your suitcase, get on the flight, take the chance. I did it, and I'm still here.

Speaker 3 44:53

It's a very difficult decision, especially people that come from first world countries. And exactly what Emma says that your your your your greatest enemies are gonna be the people that love you. Are you crazy? That's what just about every patient says, You're going to Mexico? You're in the states where the best medicine is ever. Well, all you have to do is look at the stats, and it's not the best for cancer. And it is a difficult decision, more than the cultural, which is kind of scary. I don't know the language, and there are many things, but the most difficult hurdle is your family telling you that you're making the worst decision in your life. And uh so I understand that it's difficult. Like Emma made a decision. What you're offering me is something that I don't want. And so you have to look for something else. And again, what I mentioned before, you have to believe in it. And if you believe in it, then all of those adverse reactions from the people that love you and that want you to do better are going to be noisy. You you have to make the decision that is the best for you.

Speaker 46:03

In relation to family members, my middle sister, when I got diagnosed, she lives in England, turned up 24 hours later in Australia at my front door. I've just been diagnosed with stage four cancer. And she never really gave me what she felt until I went. She said to me, Why do you think I turned up in Australia 24 hours after you got diagnosed? I didn't think I was ever going to see you again. I thought you were dead. She said, I am so glad that you got on that plane and went and did what you believed in. Now she didn't try and stop me. She didn't say, I don't think it's gonna work. But when I went and came back, she then told me, I did not think it was gonna work. But she didn't stop me from doing what I was gonna give.

Speaker 3 46:41

People like Emma that came to us very much better than the ones that are brought, right? So we have some patients that where the family is convinced that the patient needs an alternative, but the patient doesn't want it and they're brought and they're begrudgingly doing everything. In many instances, we're able to convert those patients. And and when they see others and that, you know, that this is not a gloom and doom place, many are converted, but many are not. And and and they usually do not fare well.

Speaker 4 47:11

When I wanted to do something different from what my doctors were telling me, because the protocols I was on with them was killing me. I I literally woke up one day and I was looking down on my body. My service dog refused to leave my side, and she looked at me like she was saying goodbye, and I felt like my soul had already left my body. And I prayed to God at first I was in gratitude, then I prayed to God, if you give me one more day, I'm gonna figure out why I'm so sick and I'm gonna turn around and help other people. But that decision made my family and friends say, Are you kidding? You're gonna stop your medication. And I said, No, I'm not gonna stop my medication, but I'm gonna ask my doctors to slowly step me off this medication safely under their guidance. And my doctors pushed back and my family pushed back. And I said, Listen, this is my body. I feel like this is what I should be doing. And I was right. Now I'm on zero medications, and I have to tell you, I was afraid, but bravery is being afraid and doing it anyway because you think there's some benefit in it. And that's what I did. I stepped out on faith and I was right because now I don't need a walker, a service dog, or a caregiver. That's amazing. So an oasis of hope, you healed Emma alongside patients from over 60

Finding Community With Other Patients

Speaker 4 48:30

countries. What was it like to go through treatment with people from different countries with different nationalities and backgrounds and languages?

Speaker 48:38

Well, first of all, now I have a thousand new friends, which I love, who message me at all times of the day and night. You know, I've made a beautiful friend in Nigeria. She's like one of my best friends now. She is the most beautiful person ever. She's been to Oasis twice with me. I've made friends with people all over the world, Sweden, some from England, still uh, you know, my own my home country. I've sent a few people from Australia, America. There is a lot of Americans that go. So I love American people now. You're all so positive and fun and quirky, and you're so welcoming. Honestly, my socials and my WhatsApp is 24-7 dinging from people around the world, and I love it. I love it. I I've got more friends out of Australia now than I do in Australia.

Speaker 4 49:26

Many cultures readers have spent a lifetime code switching between cultures, adapting to a new environment, reading unfamiliar rooms. Did any of those skills of being able to just make friends wherever you go make it easy to find a thousand new friends? That's pretty incredible.

Speaker 3 49:45

And I think that uh another thing that that is very prevalent is when you find other people that actually understand you, that's gonna open up the door and the friendship is gonna be much stronger than somebody that really doesn't know what you're going through. And so when you find another person that is going through what you're going, they'll be able to help you, and you are going to be able to help them because you're speaking the same language, right? When you speak to somebody that never has been in touch with cancer, they they really don't get it. How devastating that kind of information can be. And finding somebody else that understands you breaks all of the barriers. And and and and that's why those friendships that that you're making now are so strong, because you are making them with people that are going through what you are going through. And if they're down, you are able to lift them up. And if you are down, they are able to lift you up. And I think that's so important in creating that community. And we've worked very hard at the Oasis of Hope to create such communities within our patients.

Speaker 50:54

That's absolutely so true. We all sit there, people that bring their partners or family members with them, they don't understand what they're feeling or going through. And as a patient to patient, I can, you know, someone can say, Oh, I've been feeling this. Oh, well, I felt that last week. It's totally normal, you know, or my headspace has been here. And we get each other, and I think that's where the friendship starts. Yes, I'm very bubbly and outgoing, but I think deep down the actual friendships are about the dark days we can talk to each other that you would never tell your family member about or your partner because you don't want them to worry. You know, if your head's in a different headspace, we talk about it. If you're feeling something or pains or headaches or aches, we always think that's you know, cancer getting us, and the other ones like, no, don't be silly. So we reassure each other, we egg each other on, we're we're all as a community. You know, I have a WhatsApp group for every time I go to the clinic. I put all the people in that I meet. I have like four different WhatsApp groups now, and we all, there's like 40 patients in each group, and we all chat daily to each other. Hey, how are you doing? When are you back? We've all become like family. It's beautiful. And it is because we all share the same journey.

Speaker 4 52:06

That is so beautiful. And you know, Dr. Contreras, you earned your medical degree in Mexico, completed surgical oncology training in Vienna, Austria, trained in pathology at Harvard and the US, and now you lead a hospital in Tijuana, Mexico, treating patients from over 60 countries. And cultures defines a third culture adult as someone immersed in global locations after age 18, and a cross-cultural kid as someone who meaningfully interacted with multiple cultures during their formative years. Do you identify with that?

Speaker 3 52:39

Yes, and our culture is very warm in comparison to Americans, but more than the English, for instance. And we have people from all over the world. And I feel that's another asset as a culture that we bring. And that's why we don't have to do a lot of training for people to be nice and to be warm, because that's part of our culture. And most of the patients that come from abroad, they feel that. I think that's a a major reason, again, for why everything comes together so that our results are better than in most oncological centers around the world. And so culture plays uh a major role. And so that's why patients, when they hear, are you going to Mexico? Are you crazy? And when they come, are you going to those quacks that are just going to get your money and all of those things? We're a group of very well-prepared doctors and nurses and nutritionists and everything. So out of the work that we do, and we try to provide the best service possible for our patients.

Speaker 4 53:39

And your father built this hospital in 1963, and he was defying conventional medical models even back then and attracting people from a while in the world. So this is not new for your hospital. Was that cultural fluidity baked into the DNA of Oasis of Hope from the start?

Speaker 3 53:59

Well, my father was the director of a major oncological center in Mexico City. And the reason we he ended up working on his own is because he came up with the idea in the 50s that the reason for the failure was that doctors were just interested in the physical needs of their patients. And he said, the reason why we're fading is that we're not addressing the emotional and spiritual needs of the patients. We need to treat people as a whole. And that's why they coined the term holistic from my father works in the 50s. And so that's part of this warmth that we have that we want to treat the whole person, not just the body. But again, it's it's part of the Mexican culture that we are really interested in other people and we love to be with other people. And so I think that's a plus that have a as a culture. But we've had people from all over the world. And everybody has something to offer. And we've learned so many beautiful things from other cultures. And I think that this multicultural exposure

Health Systems, Money, And Time Windows

Speaker 3 55:08

has helped us also to be able to treat people better. Everybody has something beautiful in their culture. And so we try to absorb those cultural differences and get back.

Speaker 4 55:20

And so, Dr. Contrius, what would you want the culturally fluid, globally mobile reader to know about advocating for their health when they don't fit neatly into one system or any one country's healthcare?

Speaker 3 55:33

Well, I think that there are some disadvantages in countries that have, you know, the one-payer system like Canada. The hands of the doctors are so tight, the the amount of resources are so limited that they do have a disadvantage. And then the timing, you know, for instance, sometimes it takes them six months to do an x-ray.

Speaker 2 55:56

Wow.

Speaker 3 55:58

And so in a cancer patient, we're where sometimes days make a difference. So they can have disadvantages that are that have nothing to do with the culture, but with the political system. So those people can be at a disadvantage. In Mexico, for instance, that we have socialized medicine as well. There's a lot of disadvantages, but the government is open to private practice. For instance, in England, it's the same. There is socialized medicine, which is very limited in many ways and very good in many other ways. But somebody that cannot wait can go to a private entity and be helped. In many countries, that is just not possible. And so those patients are at a big disadvantage where culture really has nothing to do, it's just a political system. But in general, we have learned a lot from cultures all over the world. We've treated patients from more than 60 different countries. And each one of those patients had taught us just wonderful things that have enriched our own culture.

Speaker 4 57:02

And in the United States, we have a third-party payer system, meaning you pay your insurance premiums and your doctor bills the insurance company. But the problem with that system is that your insurance company will allot a very limited amount of time for your doctor to spend with you, seven to fifteen minutes. So there's not a lot of time for educating you about nutrition and your mental health and exercise and supporting you emotionally and spiritually. So there are a lot of challenges in so many systems.

Speaker 3 57:36

Definitely, definitely. And that and that's the most difficult. I think that the biggest hurdle that most patients from first world countries that come to Mexico is financial, because they're used to, well, my insurance company pays for this, but we'll not pay for that. And sometimes they make the decision to go into conventional medicine just because the insurance company will pay for it. Otherwise, you know, it's it's out of pocket. And so it is complicated for people to make a decision to come to us. And so usually desperation is one of the biggest drivers of people coming to look for us because it's life or death, and it's my life, and I'm going to do whatever I can to keep on living. And so they make the sacrifice.

Speaker 58:39

I've had a few people that have been accepted by Oasis, they've then cancelled and gone on to a conference or a wedding or something, and the cancer's grown and they can no longer get to the clinic. So that's when desperation's kicking in. Like, you can't wait. Cancer waits for nobody. If you're thinking of going, you book and go. You do not wait. You do not hang around for a birthday party or a wedding. You're you come first before anything, and there's no postponing dates. Like I feel I feel for those people that I've had quite a few who have reached out to me saying, you know, I could go, but now I'm, you know, I can't go anymore. And I'm like, why did you wait six months? Why are you waiting? Cancer doesn't wait for anybody. There's no time. It is now or never. Correct.

Speaker 4 59:20

Dr. Contras, is there anything you want to add to that about waiting?

Speaker 3 59:24

Yeah. I mentioned before there there are windows of opportunity. And if you don't take that opportunity in that window, it's gonna pass you by. And here we're talking about life and death decisions that are that are very important for you to make, and you have to weigh what's more important. One of the things that I tell the patients is when you make a decision, make a decision based on two questions. What what is it that I want now? And what is it that I want most? And so that's going back to what Emma says, you know, is this wedding as important as my life? Is this party? And it may be, you know, it may be the the the wedding of your son, for instance. It may be then more important than your life. But if it's the wedding of a friend of a friend, so God is going to give us always a window of opportunity. And we have to make the correct choice at the correct time. Because when the window of opportunity is gone, it's gone. And so Emma's right, cancer doesn't wait for anybody. And so that's that's when you have to make a decision of that window of opportunity. If you're gonna take it yes or no, and it's

Final Encouragement And How To Connect

Speaker 3 1:00:28

now or never.

Speaker 4 1:00:28

Well, Emma Victoria Johnson and Dr. Francisco Contreras, this has been a powerful and impactful episode. Thank you so much for this discussion. Emma, is there anything more you want to leave listeners with?

Speaker 1:00:40

I just want to say that anybody out there that has been diagnosed recently, please do not be scared. Cancer is not a death sentence. You can turn this around faith and hope. And please put yourself before everybody else with your decisions. And if you are seeking to look at anything else, I would highly recommend to go to Oasis of Hope, to Dr. Contreras, because like I said, I wouldn't be alive today if it wasn't for this wonderful man who saved my life. And I just want to give hope to everybody out there that's dealt with what I've dealt with and just to know that there is another way to cure cancer. That's beautiful.

Speaker 4 1:01:18

Dr. Contreras, what more do you want to leave listeners with?

Speaker 3 1:01:20

Well, after that is kind of difficult to say anything. But I am convinced that God has everything under control and that uh if you submit yourself to God and make your decisions based on that faith that God leads you to us. I'm convinced that everybody that comes to the Oasis of Hope is not by chance, but that they were led here. So if you're led to come, we are going to welcome you with open arms.

Speaker 4 1:01:49

And Dr. Contreras, how can people find you?

Speaker 3 1:01:51

Oasis of Hope.com. OasisofHope.com. You'll get all the information there. We provide uh a free consultation zoom with one of our doctors to talk about your case so we can help you and for you to make a decision. And we will open, we tell you if if we are a good fit for you or not, if we can help you or not. We we're going to be very open about that. So oasisofope.com.

Speaker 4 1:02:15

Thank you. And Emma Victoria Johnson, how can people connect with you?

Speaker 1:02:19

You can connect with me on Instagram, Emma Victoria underscore J. Happy to answer any questions. My inbox is always open and I always reply to every single message. So yes, if anyone's got any questions, fire away.

Speaker 4 1:02:34

Wow, what a beautiful resource, Emma. Thank you so much. And Dr. Contreras, thank you so much for making your book available for free. I'll be sure to include that in the show description and all of your socials for both of you and websites. Thank you so much for joining me today.

Speaker 3 1:02:49

Antoine, thank you very much. God bless you. Bye, Emma. God bless you.

Speaker 2 1:02:58

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Speaker 3 1:04:06

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Speaker 2 1:04:20

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