Microcirculation: Drug-Free Pain Relief With AVACEN Medical

Imagine finding pain relief from the palm of your hand - no pills, no procedures, just enhanced blood flow delivering healing nutrients throughout your body. This groundbreaking approach to chronic pain is transforming lives through a remarkably simple technology.

Danielle Forsgren, the dynamic co-founder of AVACEN Medical, reveals how their FDA-cleared devices are reshaping pain management by enhancing microcirculation through a combination of vacuum pressure and heat therapy. The technology works by targeting arterial venous anastomosis points in the palm, essentially creating a "body hack" that maintains open blood vessels and promotes improved circulation throughout the entire system.

The conversation explores how 80% of people over age 40 suffer from compromised microcirculation, contributing to chronic conditions from arthritis to migraines. Danielle shares powerful success stories, including her sister who found relief from 25 years of debilitating migraines after just minutes using the device. Beyond pain management, users report remarkable "side benefits" - improved skin appearance, faster hair and nail growth, enhanced sleep quality, and increased vitality.

Particularly poignant is the discussion about veterans suffering from musculoskeletal pain. Modern warfighters carry loads exceeding 88 pounds - significantly heavier than medieval knights' armor - contributing to widespread chronic pain among service members. The AVACEN device offers them a non-pharmaceutical alternative through the VA healthcare system.

With over 30 million treatments administered and zero adverse events reported, this technology represents a promising frontier in pain management. Whether you're battling chronic pain, seeking wellness optimization, or supporting someone in pain, this episode delivers invaluable insights into a revolutionary approach that's empowering people to reclaim their vitality. Listen now to discover how enhanced microcirculation could transform your health journey.

Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to Avacyn's Pain Relief Technology
• 5:12 Microcirculation Benefits Beyond Pain Management
• 13:35 Chronic Pain Statistics and Healthcare Challenges
• 21:54 Veteran Health Issues and Combat Gear Impact
• 31:20 Natural Alternatives to Opioid Pain Management
• 38:38 How Avacyn Technology Works
• 44:07 Bonus Topic: Auntie Diva's School of Charm

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:01

new normal, big, avid medicine medicals. Non-invasive devices are transforming pain management by boosting microcirculation through the palm of your hand, offering drug-free relief for conditions like arthritis, fibromyalgia and migraines. Veterans and wellness enthusiasts alike praise its impact, with one user on x saying my arthritis pain dropped significantly after two weeks. Avacyn's approach is redefining holistic health, making it accessible at home or in clinics, empowering people to reclaim their vitality using heat therapy and negative pressure. The Avacyn treatment method enhances blood flow, delivering oxygen and nutrients to tissues while reducing pain and inflammation. Avacyn co-founder, danielle Forsgren, and I had a chat about this innovative pain management technique with bonus content for the veteran community.

Speaker 1: 0:53

Hi friends, welcome to the New Normal, big Life podcast. We bring you natural news and stories about nature that we hope will inspire you to get outside and adventure, along with a step-by-step plan to help you practice what you've learned and create your own new normal and live the biggest life you can dream. I'm your host, antoinette Lee, the Wellness Warrior. Today, I'm joined by an incredible and interesting guest, danielle Forsgren, motivational speaker, author, facilitator and co-founder of Avazin Medical, where you can find pain relief from the palm of your hand, and Legally Diva, where Danielle handpicks the hottest trends and must-haves in health, beauty and fashion. Just for you.

Speaker 1: 1:36

We're talking about managing chronic pain through Avacyn Medical's microcirculation techniques. Imagine a world where chronic pain, whether from arthritis, lupus, fibromyalgia or migraines, is managed without pills or invasive procedures, right from the comfort of your home. Avacyn's technology enhances bird flow, delivering oxygen and nutrients to tissues while reducing pain and inflammation. This revolutionary approach, known as the Avacyn Treatment Method, or ATM, is reshaping how we address chronic pain and wellness, offering a drug-free, non-invasive solution that's both safe and effective. Before we learn about Avacyn and how microcirculation works, it's important to understand the healthcare challenges these devices solve. Danielle, welcome to New Normal Big Life. What healthcare channel was the Avacyn treatment method designed to solve?

Speaker 2: 2:32

Wow, okay, loaded question right off the bat, let's go. I can say that we are FDA cleared for aches, pain strains, overall muscular relaxation and widespread pain for arthritis, but we have found about 38 fields of uses of other chronic illnesses and other things, because when you have great microcirculation you have the holy grail for longevity and we have a lot of side benefits when you use the Avacyn.

Speaker 1: 3:08

Can you tell me more about the side benefits, especially the longevity piece?

Speaker 2: 3:12

Yes, well, so here's the sad news. We'll do that one first. Everyone over the age of 40, 80% of us have compromised microcirculation. Okay, so meaning you have a hundred thousand miles of capillaries head to toe, even in your brain. So wherever you have blood, the capillaries are the chain to keep the blood flowing head to toe. And that's why, like on your 40th birthday, you need reading glasses.

Speaker 2: 3:40

I use these because of the computer, so these are blue light, but I have really great eyesight. Actually, my sister, who's been using the Abyssin for 14 years, she actually tracked her eyesight and she went from a 1.75 down to 20, 20. Because inflammation is everywhere. So we are stopping the inflammation by using the Abyssin at least twice a day, morning and night. We say left at light, right at night, because the left helps open up the lymphatic drainage. So you want to use the left first, but I use it four times a day without fail, because of the side benefits, and one of them I can tell you is that we bring more oxygen, nutrients and collagen to the skin and it takes about a week to notice. But if you do two hours a day, so I break it up into 30 minutes, so I'll do 30 minutes in the morning, 30 minutes after dinner and like an hour when I'm binge watching my new Netflix.

Speaker 1: 4:44

So, speaking of collagen, I noticed the glow in your face. Do you attribute that to Avacyn?

Speaker 2: 4:52

Absolutely, and good skincare. I'm going to be 66 in two weeks. I don't feel it, and I have people stopping and asking me about my skin all the time. So I'm an ambassador for a skincare line it's actually skin repair and a plant-based stem cell that I absolutely adore Dr Nathan Newman's stem and I don't really give shout outs to a lot of product, but the ones that I love I always like to collaborate with, and that's the thing about Avacyn is we love to collaborate with good partners who are the same tribe and who are doing the same things that we like to do helping people.

Speaker 1: 5:32

Oh, that's beautiful, and I love hearing about new products. I'm actually going to look that up, thank you.

Speaker 2: 5:36

I will send you a link, don't worry.

Speaker 1: 5:39

Perfect and I'll drop that in the show description. I love it. Before we dive into the heart of the matter, let's talk about the prevalence of chronic pain in the United States. Based on recent data, approximately 51 million US adults 29, rather, 20% of the adult population experienced chronic patient pain in 2021. Chronic pain is defined as pain lasting three months or more. According to the National Health Interview Surveys, or NHIS, conducted by the CDC. Of these, about 17 million adults, or a little over 6%, suffer from high-impact chronic pain, which significantly limits daily activities such as work or self-care. In 2023, the prevalence slightly increased, with 24% of adults reporting chronic pain and more than 8% around 21 million experiencing high impact chronic pain.

Speaker 1: 6:37

These figures highlight chronic pain as a major public health issue, surpassing conditions like diabetes, depression and high blood pressure incidents. Certain groups face higher rates of chronic pain, like women. We experience it at 26% of the female population, versus 22% for men. Seniors experience chronic pain at 36% if you're 65 and older, and 30% of people living in poverty, living in rural areas or with public health insurance experience chronic pain. Back pain at 41% and hip, knee or foot pain at 41% are the most common types, often linked to arthritis, nerve damage or old injuries. Here's the prevalence globally. Globally, estimates suggest that at least 10% of the world's population, or approximately 780 million people, suffer from chronic pain. Some sources, including the US Pain Foundation, estimate this figure could be as high as 1.5 billion people worldwide. But here's what's interesting More people are seeking natural ways to manage their pain. Let's explore why. First, we're going to talk about chronic pain in the veteran community, which is near and dear to my heart because I'm an 11-year Army veteran. Us veterans experience chronic pain at significantly higher rates than the general population, largely due to combat-related injuries, musculoskeletal issues and associated with comorbidities. Comorbidities means the simultaneous presence of two or more diseases or medical conditions in a person. Us veterans serving in operation iraqi freedom, oif, operation enduring freedom, oef and operation new dawn ond often carry equipment loads that weigh more than a medieval knight's armor.

Speaker 1: 8:42

Doing oif, oef and ond and OND, us soldiers, and particularly infantrymen, carry heavy combat loads due to the demands of counterinsurgency operations, urban warfare and prolonged patrols in harsh environments. According to a 2018 article from War History Online, the average combat load for a US combat soldier in the mid 2000s often exceeded 88 pounds and could reach up to 120 pounds for extended missions. This load included body armor the interceptor body armor or iba, used widely during oif and oef, weighed approximately 30 pounds, with front, back side and additional neck and shoulder and groin pads. Later, symptoms like improved outer tactical arrest or OITV, added a slightly heavier weight. Doing OIF, oef and OND, us soldiers, and particularly infantrymen, carry heavy combat loads due to the demands of counterinsurgency operations, urban warfare and prolonged patrols in harsh environments. According to a 2018 article from War History Online, the average combat load for a US combat soldier in the mid-2000s often exceeded 88 pounds and could reach up to 120 pounds for extended missions. This load included body armor the interceptor body armor or IBA, used widely during OIF and OEF, weighed approximately 30 pounds, with front back side plates and additional neck and shoulder and groin pads. Later, systems like improved outer tactical vest or OITV, added similar or slightly heavier weight. Weapons and ammunition an M4 rifle with 7 to 8 pounds plus 6 to 7 magazines about a pound each, added roughly 15 pounds. Additional gear, like the load included the individual first aid equip, ifak, which is one to two pounds. Hydration systems like a camelback up to seven pounds when full grenades. Radios, batteries, night vision goggles two pounds there and other mission critical items like the fighting load carrier for extra ammo, critical items like the fighting load carrier for extra ammo, uniform and accessories. All that added weight. The army combat uniform, combat boots and other gear like rigorous belt patrol cap added another 10 to 15 pounds. Then there's specialized equipment for specific roles, such as turret gunners, and additional protective gear like the Quad Guard 4 or mission-specific equipment like breaching tools and extra munitions could push loads towards 100 to 130 pounds for long patrols. A 2006 House Armed Services Committee hearing noted that the heavy weight of equipment, particularly on up-armored vehicles and body armor, increased risks like vehicle rollovers and physical strain contributing to injuries in extreme heat and under over uneven terrain, led to significant musculoskeletal issues, with 50 percent of combat wounds and oif and oaf being musculoskeletal extremity injuries, many made worse by heavy loads.

Speaker 1: 12:17

Let's look at the medieval knights armor versus the modern warfighter. Medieval knights, particularly from the 14th to 16th centuries, wore full plate armor designed for combat, which was surprisingly lighter than modern military loads. In many cases, records and studies of surviving armor indicate full plate armor. A complete suit of late medieval plate armor for a knight in the 15th century typically weighed 40 pounds to 55 pounds for high quality tailored suits used by mounted knights. This included the helmet, breastplate, cauldrons, gauntlets and chainmail components. They also had additional gear. Knights carried weapons like the long sword two to four pounds and shield five to ten pounds, and sometimes the lance, which is five to ten pounds, bringing the total combat load around 50 to 70 pounds. For a fully equipped knight on foot, the average combat load for OIF, oef and OND soldiers was 88 to 100 pounds, significantly exceeds the typical weight of a medieval knight at 50 to 70 pounds.

Speaker 1: 13:31

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Speaker 1: 14:10

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Speaker 1: 15:03

So why this matters? For chronic pain, the excessive weight of modern military equipment compared to the relatively lighter medieval knight's armor has significant health complications for veterans. The VA's musculoskeletal diagnosis cohort found that 5.2 million veterans had musculoskeletal diagnoses, many linked to heavy loads carried during OIF, oef and OND. The VA's focus on non-pharmacological treatments, like the Avacyn treatment method, aligns with veterans' needs for drug-free pain relief. Avacyn's microcirculation therapy, which enhances blood flow to reduce pain, has been integrated into VA programs, with testimonies like a veteran saying the anxiety and muscle tension just melted away. This underscores the importance of innovations like Avacyn's non-invasive therapy, which offers a natural, effective solution for managing veterans' chronic pain without the risk of opioids. So why are more people seeking natural pain management? When we come back from this short break, we'll discuss it Before we cover the next topic in this episode.

Speaker 1: 16:15

I want to introduce you with what I like to call a micro story about an adventure that I have had. The adventure, sports lifestyle and my deep connection to nature is essential for my good health. So here's the story. It was my second year targeting smallmouth bass and I did pretty well on the first year. But on my second year this year, I was off to a slow start and rather than getting upset about not catching fish because my guy Matt and I compete for biggest fish, first fish in most species caught that day so rather than sulk, I decided I would work on my kayak fishing skills basic and advanced skills like paddle control, rod control and using the net. So I focused on these skills casting one-handed, which is sometimes called the kayaker's cast, casting one-handed exactly where I wanted my bait to land, and I got really good at that. Then we went out on another trip and I landed the biggest fish of the day. I did that. I hope this inspires you to get outside and adventure alone or with those you love.

Speaker 1: 17:32

Now back to the high prevalence of chronic pain, to figure out why people are making this shift towards natural pain management. The high prevalence of chronic pain, combined with the opioid crisis, drives the shift towards natural pain management. The high prevalence of chronic pain combined with the opioid crisis drives the shift towards natural pain management. The risk of addiction 7 to 11% of chronic pain patients develop opioid abuse disorder and they have limited long-term efficacy on opioids. Long-term, there's only a 30% pain reduction. This has fueled a mistrust in pharmacological solutions.

Speaker 1: 18:08

I personally suffer from chronic pain after sustaining a traumatic brain injury and broken back during my 11 years of service in the army. I have arthritis from my neck to my tailbone and in both knees. However, the only time that I take pain medication is when the pain is so severe that it feels unmanageable using natural remedies, and that rarely happens. Integrative therapies like acupuncture, yoga, meditation and breath work and physical therapy are also increasingly adopted, with 77% of chiropractic care recipients reporting that it has been a very effective treatment tool. Chronic pain affects 51 to 60 million Americans and 780 million to 1.5 billion people globally with significant physical, mental and economic tools. Opioids dominate pain management in the US and much of the developed world to their potency, but the risks evidenced by 81,000 US deaths and 480,000 global deaths annually have fueled a shift toward natural alternatives. Innovations like Avacyn's microcirculation therapy, alongside growing awareness of opioid, opioid limitations and holistic health trends are empowering patients to seek safer, more sustainable pain relief options.

Speaker 2: 19:51

So, speaking of the veteran community, can a veteran veteran, owned for 18 years and also Native American, purchased and okayed and cleared in less than seven days, which is unheard of, because we engage the parasympathetic, which is rest, restore, relax and fight or flight is the sympathetic. We engage the parasympathetic and that's part of the overall muscular relaxation, fda clearance. They said can you help our veterans? And so Tom Muehlbauer, who was our inventor and CEO, co-founder and, fyi, my husband of 35 years, there's that, we can't forget that and so he was an army vet, my dad was in the service, he was Navy Master Chief for 25 years and then his dad a Marine.

Speaker 2: 20:46

We've always tried to support and give back to our veteran community. So if you are service, if you go to the va hospital or c-box, you can go to your pt or your um, your pain doc, and ask them to look up the gsa code, avacyn, and they hopefully can order it. Now they might just give you know. We might send you one for just a month or something. It depends on every VA, okay, so the challenge is, if you've been to one VA, you've been to one VA because everything is run differently. So currently we are cleared and we have a GSA code which I will send you, so you might want to pop that in there too, because we want to help our vets and we're finding that the ones who are getting it through are having incredible results. They're sleeping better, their pain's going away, they're getting off their pain meds because that's the whole thing and I really believe in my heart that we can stop these suicides that are happening.

Speaker 1: 21:51

I totally agree with that.

Speaker 2: 21:53

Yeah, and the other thing that they're not talking about is the spouses who are also committing suicide because they don't want to be out without their soulmate. So it's a double hit. It's horrible and we can help, and so I'm tenacious as heck and I'm going to get it done. I don't know. You know I'm pulling every string. I know and you know there's a lot of VAs out there and they want to help people, but they're completely exhausted. The doctors are exhausted, the nurses and the staff is exhausted. I'm hoping things are going to be streamlined.

Speaker 1: 22:31

Well, thank you and your family for your legacy of service to the country and all the veterans in your family, both yours and your husband's. I really appreciate that as a veteran and a person who comes from a legacy veteran family as well.

Speaker 2: 22:45

Thank you for your service and your family's service. People don't understand that when they're keeping us safe everything else their family really takes a hit. And the cool thing about our device is a family device. I have two and a half year olds using our device up to 102, because it's really simple. It's dry, heat, a vacuum and your body. So you know we've had over 30 million treatments and not one adverse event reported because we're that easy to use.

Speaker 1: 23:18

That's amazing, because there are so what the pharmaceutical industry likes to call side effects, but they're basically the effects of the medication. I cringe, I cringe, I cringe, right.

Speaker 2: 23:29

So I'm eating dinner, I'm watching TV and I'm seeing one of those ads and then the 2 million things that can happen, including cancer and death, and I'm like, are you kidding me right now? What's happening? And you know, here's the deal. 87% of people who are on meds don't want to be and they're looking for another option. We are that option.

Speaker 1: 23:49

So tell us about Avacyn Medical's microcirculation solution to chronic pain. How does it work? How does it affect the body? What can we expect when we use it?

Speaker 2: 23:58

Yeah, so mechanism of action. So it's pretty cool. It's very simple. Our new gold one, very simple, our new gold one. This is the GXL. Very sexy, and it matches my Buddha girl bracelets. I said make me a color like that. It took three months to get this color. So this is our GXL and it's launching August 11th.

Speaker 2: 24:22

You put a mitt on and you put your hand in here, and it's reusable up to a hundred times. So we don't want to make money on mitts, we just want you to use one, because your hand has oils in it. And so you put your hand in there, you press a button and you decide what time you want whether it's 10 minutes, which I do not suggest. I suggest you want to do at least 20 and then up to 60 minutes. So I did 40 minutes this morning because we had a big party here last night and didn't get to bed late, and so I needed an extra couple of minutes to just chill, and so it's really simple. You just put your hand in, you have to take the jewelry off, so, and then you put your hand in here and then you either sit on your phone and do meditation or breathing or watch TV, or, if you're like me, I'm just on TikTok, probably shopping. It's my new, it's my new thing, so. And then you can watch a beautiful wave on the video and you have the wave sound. But this one has an extra special frequency. It's the five to eight frequency, which is the healing, miracle frequency, so we're embedding that in this. So it weighs about seven pounds. It can go on an airplane for free because we're an FDA cleared device, so you don't pay for it in the overhead luggage. And it's really simple to use.

Speaker 2: 25:40

My two and a half year old great step great granddaughter uses it. She just puts her mitt on and puts her hand in it and presses a button and she uses it. It's crazy. The kids are so smart these days and she actually happens to be an Addison baby. So mommy used it while she was in utero and she came out with blonde hair like a Smurf, and all the nurses were coming in to see what this blonde baby with the Smurf hair looked like, because usually blonde babies are bald for the first two years of their life because their hair is so fair and light. So, yeah, she's quite a little pistol.

Speaker 2: 26:17

And so we put your hand on the dry heat pad, we enclose you in a vacuum. The vacuum is really important because that distends the arterial venous anastomosis, the AVAs that are in right here, and this is where we can run a lot of blood through the palm of the hand and the feet. So Tom chose the hands, because the feet with a lot of our clients, gravity isn't going to pull up, but when you infuse the heat it's going to go up here to your heart and in about. Your body is so smart, so in less than a minute it's going to try to shut it down or vasoconstrict, but we keep your AVA's open because of the vacuum. It's the secret, ok?

Speaker 2: 27:01

So basically, tom does a body hack and puts a heat pump on your circulatory system and it can't vasoconstrict and shut it down because of that vacuum. It pulls it open. So in about 10 minutes we thin out the blood just barely and then your hypothalamus kicks in and goes oh, this feels great. This body hasn't felt like this since you were 20. So I'm going to gift you with more circulation, which means more oxygen and nutrients, and I'm going to circulate this head to toe, even through the blood brain barrier, all the way down to your little toe, and it's that easy. So kind of think of us like acupuncture without the needles, which I go to, acupuncture and I'd rather not have the needles, but, you know, got the needle sometimes. So this is something I do before the chiropractor, the acupuncturist. I do it for everything and so does my whole family, and so it's that simple. It's so simple and that's why we've had no contraindications, because it's that simple.

Speaker 1: 28:03

Well, for listeners, if you're a practitioner, if you're a veteran, if you're a non-veteran and you want to learn how to offer this to your clients or for your home use. There will be links in the show description. So don't worry, Awesome. Can you just recap one more time some of the huge benefits that someone can expect from Avacyn?

Speaker 2: 28:26

Yeah, okay. So back in the day when we were on lockdown and COVID was happening, we have an affiliate program, because this is not a device that can be in a box and can sit on a shelf in a pharmacy or in a doctor's office or in Walmart. It has to be shown and experienced. So we actually call them an Avacyn experience. And so my affiliates were amazing. They were dropping them off on people's doorsteps when they found their neighbors had COVID, keeping everybody out of the hospital. We tried to get emergency clearance for that, but we were turned down because we couldn't produce three to 5 million a month. But we were turned down because we couldn't produce three to five million a month. Wow, yeah, you can read between those lines, anyway. So I happened to get COVID after going to a wedding and I came home. I tested negative twice. I had my taste and smell, I had 97% oxygen, but I was going down by week two. I was going to Jesus and I was so sick I didn't care. And so finally, when I went to the ER, four hours later they still couldn't find the COVID. But two months later I'm losing my hair and freaking out Because one of the problems with COVID, because if you're so sick, your body shuts down everything.

Speaker 2: 29:50

That's non-essential, and I guess hair growth is non-essential. So it was like I had cancer and so I'm like pulling out hair. So I use the Avacyn, I have three PRP treatments to stop the shedding and and then my hair grew back darker and curly. It was crazy, it was absolutely crazy. So hair growth, nail growth my nails grow a 10th of an inch in six days instead of 30. Tom's hair grows like crazy. We're always I mean, my manicurist and my stylist love me because I spend a lot of money with them, but that just means that I've got great microcirculation, so I'll take that all day long. I've seen a gentleman who had a headache, a migraine, for three years in 10 minutes of doing our device completely gone completely gone.

Speaker 1: 30:45

Well, I don't know about our listeners, but I'm going to my V care provider and requesting an Avacyn device because I broke my back. I suffer from migraine.

Speaker 2: 30:55

Oh, okay. So the story about how this happened is my older sister had 25 years of migraines. She had 20 to 25 a month and they put her on so many meds. They basically turned her into a drug seeker. I mean she had a morphine box implanted. That went septic. She then they took that out oh, let's put some copper wires in her back. That went septic. She had morphine patches, lidocaine patches. I mean she was a hot mess and Tom was working with some scientists at Stanford and they had a cooling device.

Speaker 2: 31:28

But Tom, I call him Dr Google, now I call him Dr ChatGPT, because now that's what he's doing. Okay, everything ChatGPT. So just the way we're evolving, right. So he found a doctor who was using T3, t4 hormones and they were injecting it in the carotid, which is really dangerous to raise women's body core temperature to normothermia and some of the patients were not having migraines anymore. So his brain goes aha, I want to make one that warms. So Stanford didn't want to do that. So he's like sign this and he went on his own.

Speaker 2: 32:06

So we took it to my sister 17 and a half years ago. She was on day three of a migraine and I'd never seen her when she was in a migraine Cause you couldn't talk to her, you couldn't see her, she was not eating, she was not sleeping. You know how it is that you're, you're laid out. So she looked like death. She looked like the walking dead. She was total ash and gray. She comes out on crutches because she was an amputee and so she had a lot of stuff going on. We sit her down. We felt confident because her husband was a cancer specialist. So we're like God forbid if anything happens. He's there. And so in about less than 10 minutes she went from ash and gray to pink. She just pinked up.

Speaker 2: 32:48

So we're like oh, how do you feel? And she goes well, I still have a little bit of a migraine, but I'm hungry and I don't think I'm going to have to take my meds. And we're like whoa, whoa, whoa. What just happened? A miracle, right.

Speaker 2: 33:03

So, and I don't say that M word, word, much, but it was kind of a miracle for our family and my brother-in-law gets out of checks his checkbook and goes how much? And we're like oh no, you can't have this, this is a prototype from Stanford, you can't have this. And he's like you just tell them that it was taken out of your car because this machine is not leaving this house. Because he was trying to do everything for her and because of his mentality of being a physician and Western medicine, he wouldn't allow anything. But because this was Stanford science guess what it came in the house. So we're thinking we're going to cure the world of migraines. And then our attorney said well, tom, have you met the FDA? And we're like what's that? Because we were so green, we were just out to cure the world, right? So, yes, it has been a 17 and a half year old journey for us, and we're you know what. We're happy to do it because we're seeing amazing things happen every day, every day day, every day, well as a volume.

Speaker 1: 34:07

As a migraine sufferer who's had so many rounds of what they call a drug cocktail eight hour iv drug therapy, I just got chills and it to have it only come back the next day.

Speaker 2: 34:22

So there's a. This is a different protocol for you. So if you don't have a migraine, you do 20 minutes morning and night. But if you do like, I woke up this morning with a bit of attention thingy happening about 630 in the morning because when the barometric pressure changes that's when I get something. So I take an Excedrin migraine pill and I do the Avacyn for 10 to 15 minutes and it's gone, gone.

Speaker 1: 34:51

It's crazy. I'm very excited. Thank you so much for talking with me, but before we wrap up I want to change the topic. I know this is a bit off topic, but I'd like to talk about Anti-Diva School of Charity. Okay, it's my passion project, so if, if you have been following me on social media, on x, or if you listen to the podcast, you've heard me say that my parents sent me to debutante school and and my two sisters from age 15 to 16 and a very stern french woman taught us how to be ladies.

Speaker 1: 35:27

I hated it at the time. However, I'm a middle class kid from Queens, new York, and later, as a corporate executive, I found myself among the wealthy and connected. Oh yes, you did, but I was very confident in myself and meeting new people from all walks of life because I was a debutante, life because I was a debutante. So talk to us about Auntie Diva's School of Charm, because I highly recommend that every parent aunt uncle, best friend, grandmother, grandfather, you got it.

Speaker 2: 35:59

Get this book. Well, thank you. I'd love to send you one, by the way. Yeah, so afterwards we'll connect and I'll send you one with my, with my, pleasure. So this is something. This is crazy.

Speaker 2: 36:13

I published it three years ago, but it took me 10 years to write it because I kept changing things and it kept evolving. So Auntie Diva's School of Charm is basically a meld of my mother and myself. We're Auntie Diva, and then my best friend who passed is Ms Miss Hazel, and this is teaching seven to 12 year olds confidence, grace, etiquette, responsibility and giving back to your community, because these young ladies do a passion project every year, and so this is going to be a series, and I've started writing my second one. So the first one is called Forever Friends, because they befriend a young girl who is on the street and doesn't want to, is surviving on the street, which is a lot. There's too many of these children on the street and especially now with all of the trafficking, it's just a huge thing for me right now. So she's a woman who is kind of like me and she's sassy and she's has a little bit of magic intuition, and she has these six young women that she mentors. They go to high school and then they come back and they learn all of these important things.

Speaker 2: 37:25

I mean even how to walk into a room, how to sit down, how to answer a telephone Because, like you, my mother was British. Okay, so we better know our stuff and we would sit down at age five and we could be in a room and a dining room with anybody and eating properly and speaking properly. And, like you, I traveled the world and I was thrown into all sorts of situations and I'm totally confident because I know how to use a knife and fork, I know how to have a conversation with people, I can hold a table conversation and direct it, because that is just something that if you're going to be like someone like you, that's, a CEO in front of people from all over the world, you better know it, because they can tell you in a half a second if you do. And you don't even have an accent from Queens. That's interesting.

Speaker 1: 38:17

I worked very hard to lose it and I live in the Midwest now, but I've lived all over the world, so I worked very hard to lose my accent from Queens, but I would talk like this if I'm back there in a half a second. Yeah, I worked very hard at that yeah, no.

Speaker 2: 38:35

So, um, you can find it on amazon, on barnesandnoblecom and walmart, and I'm working on my second one, and my second one is going to be about bullying, because that's something near and dear. And then the girls are going to travel with Auntie Diva all over the world to learn other people's cultures. This is incredible.

Speaker 1: 38:56

You know, I often look at professional athletes and there's a news story that someone blew all their money or they blew up their lives, and one of the reasons, I believe, is because they're thrown into a different socioeconomic world prepared for it.

Speaker 2: 39:18

There's interesting, because I have a very dear friend in Texas who's he's a financial planner and he does some really cool stuff with taxes that I can't don't even understand, because I just you know one thing I can't wrap my head around. I know how to spend money. I'm not really good at saving it, but I'm working on it. And so he says he works with a lot of football players because, like you said, they're thrown into this, they're making millions of dollars and they come from a demographics that's basically their mothers probably work two and three jobs and now they're taking care of their families, so they're buying everybody a lot of stuff. And then what happens? They get injured. So guess what? They're not getting that money anymore. Have they planned for that? Probably not. So, yes, absolutely so, and I've been asked to write a book for boys too, so that'll come.

Speaker 1: 40:11

That's much needed to write a book for boys too.

Speaker 2: 40:12

So that'll come. That's much needed. Yeah, it is much needed. And and so it's so funny because I was just at a seminar called brain camp. A dear friend of mine has a five-year-old who is more like a 20 year old, and I gave I always travel with a book because I always end up giving it to somebody and I gave it to that little girl named harmony and he's going to sit. And I said have that little girl named Harmony, and he's going to sit. And I said have a tea party with your daughter and read a chapter.

Speaker 1: 40:37

That's beautiful. But my although my parents were middle class I think we lived in a middle class neighborhood but kind of had upper middle income money to a lot of fans here, fans and places and at five years old, my parents expected me to go to a restaurant with a white linen tablecloth and a maitre d' and be able to order for myself and sit like a lady and bring my fork up to my mouth. And that was even before becoming a debutante. It was just expected, and so I really love the idea of passing this on to the younger generation and I'm going to do a special social media post just on this one topic and I can't wait.

Speaker 2: 41:19

I can't wait to read it. It I'm so happy you brought that up because it's something that I have to marinate on something for a long time before I sit down and write it. And that's why it took me 10 years to write this first one, because and I felt the world wasn't ready for it yet. So three years ago it came out, and because I thought the world was ready for it and most of my people have been adults that read it. It's so funny and book clubs are reading it and I'm like, oh my gosh, that is just. It's just a great honor that I can pass down my mom's legacy. What she taught me We've been in the theater.

Speaker 2: 41:58

I'm fourth generation and so I grew up, grew up in a theater home and she had a theater school. So on Saturday mornings we went to etiquette with my mom's best friend, auntie Jean, and then when we graduated, we went to a restaurant that had the white tablecloth and we all got dressed up and we had gloves on. I mean it was the 70s, 60s, so you know, we had the gloves and the patent leather shoes and we sat like little ladies. And what I see now at dining room tables I see the whole family doing this. Yes, I mean, I was at Disneyland a couple years ago and there was a family of four.

Speaker 2: 42:35

They weren't sitting talking about their great day at Disneyland, they were all doing this and I'm like what is happening? This is crazy. That's why kids can't communicate, because they're just in their phone or their iPads. I see babies sticking with iPads. I'm like what is happening? Man, this is just something that's their wedding. And then they call me for etiquette tips. So I tell you, the big rising thing right now is people in the workplace going to etiquette classes adults going to etiquette classes because they don't know how to sit at a table and have a conversation and use. They don't know how to eat properly right it's a big it's a big thing.

Speaker 1: 43:38

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